[quote]Flat4 you've scored well with the Proceed I'd say. Were you surprised to hear it's a rare one ?[/quote] Probably dealer speak for "it didn't sell well" haha. I can see why KIa is not known for performance, its a small hatch and its a manual. Popular in Europe but not here. Whereas I wanted a French hot hatch for a long time and it ticks that box minus the unreliability of a pug or renault. 2020 Kia optima is unveiled, really liking the styling here