I got a ride in that octane gt-f today micks390, and oh, my god. if a p-plater got a hold of this one he would prang it even with traction on. I said it was a bit of a let down yesterday but geezus, when you get into it and actually feel the thing pull.... all im saying is it handles like it has an aero package borrowed from a v8supercar, and goes almost as quick. I think I have to back pedal a bit from what I said yesterday. I actually enjoyed it and there haven't too many cars that can do that to me. I cant compare xr-xy gt's as I have never driven one, but it certaianlly is, in my opinion, the ultimate aussie GT. and that's Final.