[quote VALD3BB8DFY9ETIB][Totally agree, SC. The Toronado is the car that keeps on giving, with its seamless transition of the roof line into the rear fender, the large, flat-faced wheel arch surrounds and a distinctive lower belt line that ?anchors" the car?s appearance, making it appear lower than it is.[/quote] The Toronado look is still giving on the VE/VF Commodore as well. I love the pronounced wheel arch surrounds on my VF